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Where Are You 10MP?

By Brett Harrell December 07, 2020
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Key Takeaways

  • Pipe thread does not come in a -10 (5/8″) size because the size was never standardized for National Pipe Thread (NPT)

  • Pipe thread sizes were standardized in the 1860s, increasing by eighths up to 1/2″, then by quarters up to 1-1/2″, then by halves to 5″, then by inches

  • The 5/8″ size was not common enough at the time of standardization to be included

  • The military’s Army-Navy (AN) / Joint Industrial Council (JIC) system, adopted in 1939, did include a -10 (5/8″) size because machining had advanced enough by then

The Joke Every Fitting Technician Knows

Early on in my hose career, I had a friend ask me to go pull a 10MP (male pipe) fitting for him. After quite a while of meaningless searching, I was let in on the reality that pipe thread does not come in a -10 (5/8″) size. I came back to the guy slightly defeated. I asked, “Why doesn’t pipe come in 5/8″ when everything else has a size 10?” It made no sense to me. The answer I got back was just as frustrating as the question itself: “It just doesn’t. They never made it. I don’t know.” That was the extent of the answers that I got at the time. Granted, at that time that was a sufficient answer.

Brass man thread identification 10MP fitting

How Pipe Thread Was Standardized

Fast forward a few years later and I found myself on the other end of the joke, asking a new guy to go get me a 10MP fitting to take a measurement. But that brought the question back up: why not, though? I set out to get answers.

In the nineteenth century, many different types of screw threads were required for hydraulic and pneumatic circuits as well as fastening components. As a result, manufacturers started to devise their own fastening systems. This resulted in compatibility problems.

The English mechanical engineer and inventor, Sir Joseph Whitworth, devised a uniform threading system in 1841 to address the incompatibility problem. The Whitworth thread form is based on a 55-degree thread angle with rounded roots and crests.

This form was selected as a connecting thread for pipes, which was made self-sealing by cutting at least one of the threads on a taper. This became known as the British Standard Pipe (BSP) thread (BSP Taper or BSP Parallel thread). William Sellers developed the predecessor to National Pipe Thread (NPT): the United States Standard (USS) thread in 1864. This primarily dealt with fastener thread, but pipe thread was subsequently standardized as a result. Sizes of pipe thread increase by the eighth up to 1/2″, and then by the quarter up to 1-1/2″. From there the sizes increase by 1/2″ all the way to 5″ where it jumps to increasing by an inch.

The key takeaway here is that pipe thread has been standardized in the United States for a long time, longer than any other domestic thread standardization. Army-Navy (AN) or Joint Industrial Council (JIC) fittings (largely the same system) came about in 1939 when the military decided they needed a fitting to seat metal on metal and not by thread, as this would stop any type of leaking that can occur with the standard tapered thread.

Why 5/8″ Was Left Out

At the time, 5/8″ thread just was not common enough to be standardized. As machining of pipe and pipe fittings improved, so too improved the machines the pipe was applied to. This resulted in a more diverse range of needs in pipe size and thread types. By the time World War 2 hit, machining had improved enough that 5/8″ was common enough a size that the military decided to include it in the AN system.

So, when someone asks you why there is no such thing as a 10MP, instead of saying “It just doesn’t. They never made it. I don’t know,” you can confidently tell them: “It just doesn’t. They never made it.”

Thread identification humor graphic about the nonexistent 10MP male pipe fitting

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10MP refers to a -10 (5/8″) male pipe fitting. The “10” is the dash size and “MP” stands for male pipe. However, pipe thread was never standardized in a 5/8″ size, so a true 10MP fitting does not exist.

When pipe thread was standardized in the 1860s, 5/8″ was not a common enough size to justify inclusion. Pipe thread sizes increase by eighths up to 1/2″, then by quarters up to 1-1/2″. The 5/8″ size falls in the gap between 1/2″ and 3/4″.

Yes. The AN (Army-Navy) and JIC (Joint Industrial Council) thread systems, adopted in 1939, include a -10 size. By that time, machining had improved enough that 5/8″ was a common size in hydraulic applications.